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  • #9088
    andi4eyes
    Participant

    Hi all,
    We are planing to run in a few races this year. To start we plan to run the invitational race in Anneau du Rhin in France as we won’t be able to finish the car before.
    How does it work with scrutineering for the invitational races? Will it be done by UK club officials? Is is maybe even a bad idea and we should start with a race in the UK? What are your experiences?

    Best
    Andi

    #9106
    andi4eyes
    Participant

    The “MSA Competition Car Log Book” might be a relevant issue maybe? As I have understood we will get one before the first race (probably before/during scrutineering?)
    Maybe we won’t need one outside the UK? Do we need something similar for France and Belgium?

    #9108
    Philip Myatt
    Moderator

    It will be the Belgian scrutineers who carry out the checks at their races. They usually manage to find something that does not cause a problem in the UK.
    If it’s the first time the car will have been scrutinised I would try and get it looked at before you go by a set of experienced eyes to ensure that you don’t get caught out.
    Philip

    #9171
    andi4eyes
    Participant

    Thanks a lot for your reply.
    I inquired at the Belgium Club as well. Fred suggest that as a guest team we shouldn’t worry too much about technical regulations. Safety is obviously very important though. Let’s see. We’ll build the car to our best abilities and try to get it scrutineered as early as possible on the race week-end. Worst case we are based only one hour from the track and can try to fix whatever pops-up.

    #9310
    mgdavid
    Participant

    Don’t forget that the Belgians usually run to full FIA safety rules, so you’ll need balaclava, vest, long johns, socks etc all in Nomex. You might need a minimum 2l extinguisher, I’ve known a UK 1.75 litre one failed in the past (different series from C1s).. If you work to the safety regs on the http://www.roadbook.be site for the Spa Classic weekend you won’t go far wrong….
    HTH

    #9887
    Paddy
    Participant

    Does anyone have a definitive regulation on roll cage padding needed for Spa? Can’t find anything on the C! site/facebook.
    Just need to know do we need proper FIA padding and if so what precisely needs to be padded?
    Thanks

    #9888
    Philip Myatt
    Moderator

    Hi Paddy
    It definitely has to be the FIA padding and it needs to be on the cage where the driver can make contact with it.
    Philip

    #9891
    Paddy
    Participant

    OK thanks. Realistically is that just the side upper and lower bars or the front/diagonal as well as shown in the pic? Expensive stuff!
    thanks

    #9892
    Paddy
    Participant

    with pic

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    #10185
    SVDP-Racing
    Participant

    after just getting back home after the Spa C1 24hr, what a utter joke re scrutineering, the UK cars were checked and comments were made regarding steering locks etc, UK had to have the driver names on the Helmets others did not, some UK car had film over side and rear windows other did not. A local driver with the in car camera did not have his helmet done up nore wore a Hans Device (nothing said). Driving standards were to be questioned i dont think there was one car with out damage of some sort. Our car was a right off after 1 hrs driving, our in board camera was great evidence of being shunted twice in a fast left hander resulting in a spin and rear end contact. The footage was shown to the Locan and UK organizers (nothing done)
    Its a shame as we were looking forward to spa, i think next time ill spend my money banger racing.

    Spencer

    • This reply was modified 8 months, 1 week ago by SVDP-Racing.
    #10195
    SVDP-Racing
    Participant

    i rest my case this car was still racing

    #10209
    coxm
    Participant

    Sorry that you feel like this, but a few observations. We are not the organisers of Spa, 2CVRT are as, we have made clear to you directly when you raised these points with us, and in our newsletters; however, you should not assume that nothing is done because you didn’t see anything on the live feed. A considerable number of penalties were issued for a variety of issues; you had to watch the stop/go penalty box and the screens to check that, however.

    In relation to your accident, we not only reviewed your video footage, but that of following cars, and interviewed drivers who saw the incident. As best we can determine, your driver lost control (probably by lifting as it appeared to slow moments before the first impact) and was then hit (twice, as you say, but once a car is on a collision course in Pouhon, that isn’t always avoidable), went off the circuit; and then returned onto the circuit out of control at which point it was hit by a car at full racing speed, who was unable to avoid a near-stationary car in the middle of a high-speed corner. We can understand that you are aggrieved that your race was over shortly after the start of a 24hr race, but from our perspective, this incident appeared to have begun with your driver lifting, not other people’s bad driving.

    The Clerk of the Course (which is to whom you told us you had shown your footage), in our experience, reviews not only what is shown to him by a competitor, but all the track footage (being a Formula One circuit, there are at least two cameras covering each part of the circuit) which is very high-quality. He probably formed the same conclusion that we did: your driver lifted, got hit from behind; slowed because he was then sliding and was hit again; lost control completely, went off on the infield and then rejoined out of control and suffered a glancing blow from another car which was at full speed. I’m not sure what else you would like us to do with respect to this incident?

    With regards to your comment on banger racing & damage, I’m afraid it simply doesn’t accord with the facts as we saw in post-race scrutineering. 149 cars started the race in total, which is a very large grid for Spa. 38 out of 47 UK cars finished the race, which is over 80%, compared with an average in 24hr races somewhere in the 60s%. Three that we know of were mechanical failures. Two rolled all on their own. MC was driving and, like all the top three finishers, his car ended the race without a scratch No series has a stronger position on driving standards, which we will continue to focus on, as we always have

    #10228
    SVDP-Racing
    Participant

    coxm
    That don’t even warrants a response. good luck.

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